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Major Reaper crash...

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My quest to use Reaper on an entire project, from start to finish was thwarted yet again yesterday. Maybe I'm expecting too much ? I had 40 Reaper tracks open, and numerous plug-in's, 5 instances of Anwida-verb, 5 instances of Epicverb, 1 instance of Classic Delay, 1 instance of Glaceverb, and 1 instance of T-Racks Mastering Suite open on my master-buss. All 40 tracks were active for playback, but the actual size of the media on these tracks in most cases was very small, consisting of very small "Items". I finished tweaking and mixing 5 "Cd" tracks when I moved on to track 6 and started to move and organize Items for that track, then Reaper just froze, and when I tried to save the project the computer crashed, I lost 7 mixes in total, which was extremely annoying to say the least. Up to this point I was saving all the time, but Reaper just locked-up after that. I don't have any confidence in Reaper now, it seems OK for small projects, maybe 4/8 tracks, maximum, but anything more demanding and it just falls over. So I'm back to tracking in Reaper, and mixing in Samplitude. My computer seems OK, it's a Pentium Dual Core 2.8 with 4 gigs of RAM, so it's not exactly underspecified, maybe someone can suggest a few checks to make sure all is OK ? Patchmouse.

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22.05.22 - 22:55:22
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RE: Major Reaper crash...

Right now I'm mixing a project with 140 tracks (incl. busses), 240 VST-plugins and 3500 items, so I wouldn't exactly agree with Reaper only being capable of dealing with about 4 tracks. There has to be something faulty. Before we start analyzing, make sure you activate Reaper's auto-backup to timestamped files. I set my interval to 1 minute, so even if something goes terribly wrong and Reaper crashes, I lose 1 minute of work in the worst case. My project file backup folder consists of 6700 backups, 20 MB RPP-file-size - that's about 95 GB project file backup size alone, audio files not included, but HD space just isn't an issue anymore. About the general stability I'd say Reaper64 on Win7 64 is a big improvement, but this always depends on the plugins you're using. I've never encountered such a stable system when dealing with such big projects. It gets slightly sluggish, but it just won't crash. You can't judge the stability of Reaper by one single crash. If it's summer where you are at the moment, make sure your CPU fan is a proper one. Had some stability issues 2 weeks ago when it suddenly got really hot outside. New fan, problems gone. Then try running your plugins in bridge mode (x86 to x86). But we don't even know yet if you even had a 2nd crash. More details please !

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22.05.22 - 23:00:48
Message # 2
RE: Major Reaper crash...

core 2 duo dosent really spell performance either. overclock a cheap quad and ull be laughing.

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22.05.22 - 23:10:31
Message # 3
RE: Major Reaper crash...

1. Enable reaper project auto backup every five minutes. 2. Set all your plugins to run as dedicated process. Epicverb especially. Then plugs can't crash reaper, which is usually what happens when bad stuff goes down. 3. Have a solid backup plan in case your hard drive fails.

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22.05.22 - 23:20:18
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Recovery mode - open reaper with no project, go to open project menu, it's a checkbox in there.

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22.05.22 - 23:25:55
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for info purposes i get impression that multicore setups and the bootsy plugins can be a cause of flakiness. as DUB' said - i run epicverb on my quad as a seperate process as it sometimes would crash reaper, now it only interupts soundcard/hangs for a mo. the more instances too can cause issues. try firewalling a few of the suspect plugs see if that helps. or doing a seperate project with only cockos plugs etc. as a wiseman once said: it's probably a plugin...

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22.05.22 - 23:35:45
Message # 6
RE: Major Reaper crash...

shame really as i become reluctant to use them on big projects or do so with a sense of dread..

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22.05.22 - 23:40:21
Message # 7
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Hi all, I've selected run all as dedicated process in Options > Plug-ins, but haven't had time to really test things yet. I really like Epicverb, but I'm only going to use it on dedicated instruments on small projects from now on. I did notice that on the project that crashed,I was using a few instances of Epicverb as a "per item" effect, rather than on a whole track, I rarely do this, and I guess this may have contributed to the crash ? The great thing about Epicverb is it seems to have that really dense "Lexicon" stylee type sound, and the decays are fabulous, I like to play Harold Budd style piano sometimes, and it's absolutely perfect for that, I couldn't do without it, that's the problem. Patchmouse.

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22.05.22 - 23:47:52
Message # 8
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hey, a couple of stupid questions? how do i firewall plugins? are there any other plugins with well known problems on x64 multicore systems? thanks

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22.05.22 - 23:57:10
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